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Logging total flight time vs. logging SIC vs. logging PIC

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I'm a CFI, building my hours for that 121 job someday (hopefully).  I'm a CFI, CFII, and MEI, and of course, need that golden multi time.  Since I cannot go on our flight department's 135 charter (the FAA is only allowing one pilot, one airplane, so thus I'm out of the picture), and my employer does not offer multi training, I need other ways of getting multi time.

Anyways, the chief CFI, and the only pilot allowed for the 135 work, needs to do a 135 check with the FAA tomorrow, and wanted to practice before his check.  He asked me to go up with him to be his safety pilot today; we logged 1.3 hours in the Seneca, and about an hour of that time, he was under the hood.  My question, my logbook has columns for flight instructor, dual, PIC, SIC and Total Time.  How would I log this?  Would I log 1 hour of PIC and 1.3 total time, or 1.3 as CFI (since I am an MEI) and 1.3 total time.  Or would I only log 1 hour of total time?  I'm confused...oh the joys of being a CFI, trying to figure the FARs out.

 

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  1. John A Lindholm on Mar 29, 2011

    If you’re a safety pilot, you’re not giving instruction…. nor endorsing his log as dual received.  Therefore, you cannot log the 1.3 hours of total time as PIC or dual given.
     
    As a required safety pilot, you can log either SIC (or PIC if there was a pre-flight agreement that you were the “acting” PIC) while the other pilot was flying with his vision limited.  You can only log the 1 hour.  Your best bet will be to log the time as SIC “safety pilot” time unless you are PIC legal (to/ldg) in multi-engine flight prior to this flight.  If your Chief Pilot agrees, you still have the option to log PIC dual given if you endorse his records as dual received.
     
    Make sense..??    You are wise to get this right as future employers (and the FAA) will be taking a long look at your log records for the rest of your career.  Nothing looks more inept than having illegal flight time logged.

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  2. LovemyGF on Mar 29, 2011

    Can I still log all 1.3 hours of my “total time,” or does the time only where I was acting as PIC can go in the “total time” column?

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    John A Lindholm on Mar 29, 2011

    You can only log as total time the time you were required to be in the aircraft….  the time the other pilot was using a vision limiting device.  Otherwise, you were just a passenger.

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  4. LovemyGF on Mar 29, 2011

    That’s what I thought.  Thanks!

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  5. Kris Kortokrax on Oct 19, 2011

    What exactly do you disagree with?
     
    The safety pilot is only required during simulated instrument flight.  Not required during startup, taxi-out, runup, takeoff, landing, taxi-in, shutdown.  If the view restricting device is not being worn, there is no need for a safety pilot and therefore, that portion of the flight time could not be logged.

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