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Departure Procedure

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While looking at the Takeoff Minimums for KFLG, I noticed that the departure procedure for RWY 3 is 'Turn right'.  That's it!  Assume you had not been assigned a SID (i.e. FLAGSTAFF ONE) and were told to fly the ODP, what exactly is meant by 'turn right'?  

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  1. Bryan on Feb 27, 2023

    Keep reading. Rwy 3, turn right, Rwy 21 turn left. The following sentence applies to BOTH: Aircraft departing FLG R160 CW R175, climb on course. All others climb southbound on FLG R172 to 9000, then climbing left turn to FLG VOR/DME.

    This is basically saying that the only safe way out is between radials 160 and 175…so if you’re headed that way already, great. If not, head that way until 9000 and then go back to the VOR and proceed from there.

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  2. Russ Roslewski on Feb 27, 2023

    Bryan, the “Aircraft departing FLG R-160…” line, as printed, would apply only to RWY 21. If it were to apply to both, it would have a “thence…” after each line, for example see the next entry down in the FAA book, at Fort Huachuca.

    However, looking at the original form on https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/procedures/application/?event=directory&directory=2013101730399001001-FLG-NDBR&type=ndbr&nasrId=FLG

    It appears that the “Aircraft departing FLG R-160…” stuff is supposed to apply to both runways, as this would be the most reasonable interpretation of the instructions. So in the end you are correct. But this is not obvious from the way it is shown in published form.

    It should be noted that this procedure is originally from 1992, and departure wording was often significantly different back then.

    Gary Y, if you are interested, I’d suggest using the contact information on that page (an “Aeronautical Inquiry”) to send the question into the FAA and perhaps getting it resolved.

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  3. Bryan on Feb 27, 2023

    You’re right, Russ, all the way around. I would fly it as I described it but the chart doesn’t actually say that.

    And Gary Y, if you decide to reach out to the FAA, I have done that in the past and they are reasonably responsive. Sometimes you’ll get someone at first who just doesn’t want to hear it but if you keep digging, someone will recognize the value in what you’re asking for and really engage with you to clarify things.

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