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Flying coworker using a commercial pilot certificate

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I am in the process of obtaining my commercial cert.  I'm also a member of a flying club. By boss would like to know if once I get my CPL could I fly coworkers to meetings and such, in an aircraft owned by the flying club without having to share costs as I would with a PPL.  Our business is not aviation related and flying would be incidental to the business as I would be attending the same meetings.  I would not be holding out to the public as I would only fly 1 or 2 coworkers and the company would pay for renting the plane.  There would be no additional payment to me other than my usual salary from the company which I would get even if I were not flying anywhere.

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  1. Mark Kolber on Feb 09, 2023

    Short answer – probably not. Unless your employer is providing the aircraft and you are essentially a “corporate pilot,” your privileges as a commercial pilot in the scenario are no greater than a private pilot.

    For a longer answer, here’s a copy of something I’ve shared on a number of forums for those getting ready for their commercial checkride.

    Commercial Pilots and Commercial Operators

    This is the way I teach it. It works better one-on-one since there are always questions, but FWIW, here goes…

    The single most important thing to learn is, *there is a difference between the privileges of a commercial “pilot” certificate and the requirements for engaging in a commercial “operation.”* If you fly for compensation, you are exercising a “commercial pilot” privilege. If you provide both pilot and airplane to transport other people or their property for compensation, you are engaged in a “commercial operation.”

    To give simple examples, if you are hired as a corporate pilot to fly a company airplane or to ferry someone else’s airplane, you are only providing them commercial “pilot” services. Their airplane; your services. OTOH, if you take your C182 and start doing air tours or start flying your neighbors to their vacation spots, you are engaged in a commercial “operation.”

    Get that difference, and you are *way ahead* of most in understanding this stuff.

    From there, move to FAR 119.1(e). Most commercial “operations” (providing aircraft and pilot) require an operating certificate of some type. Might be Part 135 (charter and some smaller airlines), 121 (the big airlines), but some kind of operating certificate. FAR 119.1(e) is a list of commercial “operations” that do not require an operating certificate. That “air tour?” 119.1(e) says, “no operating certificate required,” although there are some other requirements. Transporting that cargo? There is no 119.1(e) exception, so you need an operating certificate.

    There are two other, related, concepts you need to understand. One is the difference between “common” and “private” carriage. “Carriage” just means providing airplane and pilot for transporting persons or property. “Common” means offered to the public, or, as the FAA puts it, a segment of the public. “Private” means only with a very select few.

    The difference between the two is the other important concept – “holding out.” I mention it last because It’s always used as though it is some evil thing. But all it really means is “letting people know.” “Holding out” makes it “public.”

    If all that leaves you thinking the lines are blurry, you are right. After all, how does anyone know you are available to transport them in “private” carriage unless you let them know? The reality is, it’s so blurry, it doesn’t make any practical difference. The fact that “carriage” is private does not mean you can do it with just a commercial pilot certificate. FAR 119.23 says “private” carriage requires an operating certificate, with some exceptions. Operating certificates for “noncommon” or private carriage are also mentioned in 119.5. There is even a sample of a private carriage Part 135 certificate in FSIMS (reproduced here – http://midlifeflight.net/posted/PrivateCarriageOpCert.png)

    Bottom line, public or private, if you provide airplane and pilot for a purpose other than one listed in 119.1(e) , you need some kind of operating certificate. But you still have to understand the difference because it gets tested.

    I wouldn’t worry too much about more than understanding and being able to apply these basics – (1) your privileges are as a commercial pilot; (2) they don’t automatically allow you to engage in a commercial operation; and (3) there needs to be some specific regulatory authority to engage in a commercial “operation,” such as one of the activities permitted by 119.1(e) or under a Part 135 operating certificate.

    Yeah, I know. It’s complicated. That’s why lawyers get paid big bucks to draft things like leases between a parent company and its 100%-owned subsidiary that does nothing but provide flight services *only* to its parent company – abut as “private cariage” as you can get. it’s designed to prevent the subsidiary from being treated as a Part 135 operation.

    Fortunately, it’s mostly about understanding the basics such as, “does your commercial certificate allow you to take your neighbor and his family to their vacation destination in an airplane you own or rent and be paid for it? The answer is no since that would be a commercial “operation” and require a Part 135 operating certificate. Truth is, most DPEs don’t understand more than the basics either.

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