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A.8 and A.11 endorsement

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If I want a student to be able to solo repeatedly to an airport 20NM away, does A.8 endorsement allow that or is A.8 a one time authorization? In that case do I need to provide the A.11 endorsement? Please leave references.

A.8 Solo takeoffs and landings at another airport within 25 nautical miles (NM):
§ 61.93(b)(1).
I certify that [First name, MI, Last name] has received the required training of
§ 61.93(b)(1). I have determined that [he or she] is proficient to practice solo takeoffs and landings at [airport name]. The takeoffs and landings at [airport name] are subject to the following conditions: [List any applicable conditions or limitations.]

A.11 Repeated solo cross-country flights not more than 50 NM from the point of
departure: § 61.93(b)(2).
I certify that [First name, MI, Last name] has received the required training in both
directions between and at both [airport names]. I have determined that [he or she] is
proficient of § 61.93(b)(2) to conduct repeated solo cross-country flights over that route, subject to the following conditions: [List any applicable conditions or limitations.]

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  1. Mark Kolber on Apr 27, 2023

    There’s probably no answer here because there is no clear interpretation from the FAA. Basically, there are no references. So my take is worth exactly what you paid for it.

    I treat the (b)(1) endorsement as a one-time endorsement. There is a reasonable argument that it permits repeated trips, but (b)(1) lacks two things that appear in (b)(2).

    First, (b)(1) lacks a solo cross country endorsement. (b)(2) is a complete solo cross country authorization package. It requires a basic cross country endorsement. The only thing it avoids is the (c)(3) per-flight solo cross country endorsement. It presumes basic cross country competence the ability to plan the flight, determine if the weather is suitable, and do their own PAVE/IMSAFE analysis each time they fly that route without checking in with their CFI (unless, or course, the CFI adds limitations. If you think about it, it’s a pretty advanced endorsement although limited to less than 50 nm.

    OTOH, (b)(1) does not require a solo cross country endorsement at all. The student need not be at the solo cross country level of proficiency and judgment.

    Second, (b)(2) uses the phrase “repeated flights.” (b)(2) does not.

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  2. Mark Kolber on Apr 28, 2023

    …(b)(1) does not.

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