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Stabilized approaches

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We've had a DPE in our local area causing quite a stir on instrument approaches and how to fly them. Conventionally, and per the the Instrument ACS, a pilot should become stabilized at the FAF and maintain an airspeed +/-10, altitude +/- 100, and heading +/-10 until landing.

For us in our C-172SP's, we would slow down to 90 KIAS and put flaps 10 in before the FAF, and fly that down to minimums and/or the MAP. If we broke out, we'd reduce power and set flaps as necessary to slow down to the landing speed listed in the C-172 POH chapter 4 (65 - 75 KIAS Flaps UP or 60 - 70 KIAS Flaps FULL: source: http://aeroatlanta.com/docs/aero-atlanta-c172sp-naviii-poh.pdf page 4-22)

The DPE has stated that coming in at 90 KIAS is not appropriate, and states that we should come in at 75 KIAS with 20 degrees of flaps, as that is more in line with the POH landing speed. His rationale being that if we break out at ILS mins (200' AGL typically) at 90 KIAS, we won't slow down in time to the landing speed, which throws off landing distance data, thereby breaking 14 CFR 91.103.

He also stated that if we must initiate a missed approach, we would have to put a high load on the airplane to bring the airspeed down to 60 KIAS initially when climbing, as that required by the POH go-around procedure (Page 4-23 in the POH).

Now, 75 KIAS is pretty slow to come in at on an approach, especially if the FAF is 5-10 miles away (as it is on some RNAV approaches) and you have traffic behind you. But this DPE stated that we don't need to be configured or slow down until 1,000' above the TDZE, as that is the criteria for a stabilized approach per the FAA's guidance (source: Instrument Procedures Handbook Ch. 4-37), not the FAF. This would also put us 3nm away from the airport if we were on a 3 degree glide-path down.

His preferred method would be to come in initially at 120 KIAS (9 KIAS less than Vno) past the FAF, and upon getting close to 1,000', reduce power and configure, and fly the 75 KIAS in until landing. This way you aren't too slow for faster traffic on the approach, while at the same time slowing down to a proper landing speed when only 3 miles out.

This seems like a very unstabilized method for a general aviation aircraft. To come in lightning fast and then obliterate all that speed coming up on 1,000' off the ground. It sounds like this gentleman is trying to have us fly the approach similar to a turbojet rather than a light single engine aircraft. Any thoughts?

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  1. KDS on Jun 04, 2019

    Flying an ILS in an airplane with a relatively slow Vso in real down to the minimums IMC takes a little dose of common sense. If there is other traffic on the approach, the controller is going to have to make a really big space behind you. When you break out on an ILS, there is going to be a whole lot of runway in front of you, so there is plenty of distance to dissipate speed before landing. Lastly, anyone who can’t handle that kind of maneuver should not be shooting approaches to minimums in the first place.

    However, human nature is that no amount of discussion from you or your instructor is going to change his mind. So, you have two choices. You can pick a different examiner or you can do it the way he wants to see it.

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  2. Mark Kolber on Jun 05, 2019

    Considering that most DPEs are experienced pilots and instructors, this surprises me a lot, although it’s not unheard of for DPEs to have their individualized oddities.. If true, the best way for CFIs to handle is is to not refer students to him for checkrides,

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  3. Warren Webb Jr on Jun 28, 2019

    Agree with KDS and Mark. He’s going against FAA guidelines which are to maintain a stabilized approach and avoid significant speed and configuration changes (Instrument Procedures Handbook). If on autopilot the recommended speed is 90 and maximum flap extension is 10. That can be flown to 200 agl. I always flew at 90 with no flaps and never had any problem adjusting in visual conditions for the landing.

    The ACS requires a normal landing within the touchdown zone. Per the POH, the flaps for a normal landing can be ‘AS DESIRED’, and ILS runways are going to be normally 5000ft plus, so I don’t see any problem complying even if you stay in the same configuration as the approach (I landed no flaps sometimes for training purposes – could be necessary depending on winds).

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