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High Performance Endorsement in a plane student not qualified in?

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Hi, I have a student without a multi rating that would like me to get him his high performance endorsement in my Baron. As I read 61.31.f I don't see any reason why I can't. Anybody have any other opinions on this? Thanks!  

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    Kris Kortokrax on Nov 23, 2015

    Well, when he was a student pilot, he received training in an airplane that he was not qualified in.

    There doesn’t appear to be anything in 61.31 that would not allow it.

    Do you not have access to a high performance airplane like a Cessna 182 that he could get the endorsement in?

    It appears to be his request to do the training in your Baron. Why not train him for the multi-engine rating and do the endorsement along with it?

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  2. tim@timflies.com on Nov 24, 2015

    Hi Kris, this is doing a favor for a co-instructor at our flight school. He really likes the Barons and was excited to fly one, and I’m happy to take him for the flight required for the endorsement. But I don’t think I want the wear and tear of all the single engine work on my pride and joy! Thanks for your answer, so far the consensus is that it would be fine and I believe we’re going to do it!

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  3. Brian on Nov 26, 2015

    As far as I remember (been a while on the multi stuff), you don’t have to do actual engine failures to get the multi endorsement. Simulated zero thrust is enough for most, if not all of it. That said the only real wear and tear would be on his leg trying to keep that beast straight during OEI. Unlike the Seminole or similar birds where a light touch will suffice. 🙂

    Note that I did not verify with the regs before this post. Purely off memory so I encourage you to check with the regs if you consider this a viable option.

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  4. Kris Kortokrax on Nov 27, 2015

    Brian,

    There is a bit of a conflict in your statements. First, you say that “you don’t have to do actual engine failures”, then you say that “Simulated zero thrust is enough for most, if not all of it”.

    Either you have to do it or you don’t.

    1. There is no such thing as a “multi endorsement.” It is an “Airplane Multi Engine Land” or “Airplane Multi Engine Sea” class rating.

    2. The Private, Commercial and ATP PTS all require feathering of an engine unless the manufacturer prohibits intentional feathering in flight. Note that it is the manufacturer, not the owner or pilot, who makes this determination.

    3. 14 CFR 61.45 (b) requires that an applicant provide an aircraft with no operating limitations which would not allow performance of all areas of operation for the test. This would seem to indicate that if one did have an airplane for which the manufacturer prohibits feathering, the applicant would need to provide another airplane to perform the feathering task.

    I have conducted multiengine training in several models of Piper and Cessna airplanes and have taken flight checks in a Baron 58. None of these airplanes contain limitations against feathering propellers.

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  5. Kris Kortokrax on Nov 27, 2015

    Tim,

    I came across the Dean legal interpretation, issued in February 2013. It allows performing the training set out in 61.129 (a)(3)(ii) in either a single or multiengine airplane.

    This is the section that requires 10 hours of training in a complex airplane.

    Again, I think you are on solid ground performing the high performance training in your Baron.

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