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91.213 Equipment List Requirements…

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Hi everyone!

Been a while since I posted on this site, I have a question about FAR 91.213 - In 91.213(d)(2)(ii), what does "Kinds of Operations Equipment List" refer to? Does it  just refer to VFR/IFR day night equipment requirements as listed in 91.205? I'm not so sure since 91.213(d)(2)(i) refers to equipment that is part of the VFR day type certification.

Along those lines - Does "VFR-day type certification instruments and equipment" as defined in 91.213(d)(2)(i) simply refer to the well known "TOMATO FLAMES" acronym many of us learned in PPL training? Or does it refer to something in the airplane's original TCDS? 

Thank you,
Matt

 

Matt

 

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  1. Mark Kolber on Nov 07, 2014

    Congratulations! I’m not being facetious. I’m famous in some circles for my rants against mnemonics, especially the one about burning certain red fruit. So congrats are in order for your question after discovering that the real starting point in a discussion of required equipment is 91.213, not 91.205.

    “Kinds of Operations” lists are lists one finds in some aircraft POH that indicates what equipment (generally optional) si required for flight under certain conditions. In some case the list is pretty limited such as the “KINDS OF OPERATION LIMITS” that appears in the 172S POH Limitations section. But they can be more extensive, such as the one in the DA40 which lists equipment requirements for VFR day, VFR night and IFR. The minimum will track 91.205 requirements but can go much further. For example, Diamond requires a pilot flying a DA40 VFR at night or IFR to have a headset.

    Similarly, “VFR-day type certification instruments and equipment” is not limited to 92.205, It encompasses all equipment that was the basis for certifying the airplane. Theoretically knowing what they are would one to wade through not only Part 23 (and the related FAR for other categories) but also the prior CAR under which most older models were originally certified. Fortunately, the Type Certificate Data Sheets available for each make and model, combined with the manufacturer’s equipment list designations of what is “Required” (not to be confused with a MEL!!!) covers it as a practical matter.

    So you can see the problem with burning red fruit – it tends to lead one to think that a small part of the required equipment analysis is all there is.

    (Can you tell this is a rant topic for me?)

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  2. Sam Dawson on Nov 09, 2014

    Just to add a few things to what Mark wrote.
    There are some items that will not be found on the TCDS that are required by FAR 23 and/or CAR 3. A few examples-
    1. Carb heat.
    2. CHT gauge for airplanes equipped with cowl flaps.
    3. Not VFR equipment, but pitot heat for IFR of the airplane was certified under FAR 23.
    4. Fuel indicator. And in spite of what you may have been told it must give the pilot an accurate indication of fuel level at ALL times, not when indicating empty

    Also do not forget STCs which become part of the airplane’s type certificate. As an example every autopilot STC that I am aware of requires the autopilot manual to be on the aurcraft and accessible to the PIC. No manual? Aircraft is not airworthy.

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