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Logging PIC with a CPL on a 91 Operated Two-Pilot Aircraft

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I'm a CPL couple hundred hours short of ATP mins, Boss have a 2-pilots aircraft, most of the time I'm the SIC of course, so i log my flightime as such.
Time to time the other pilot gets a break and the boss flies, then obviously, i get to be in charge of flights.
He of course fly with a PPL, with the proper type and ratings needed.

I've been told that in such situation i'm able to log those flights as PIC.

Aircraft is FAA Far 91, I'm PIC Type Rated, and keep 61.58 currency though i don't have an ATP, got the US PPL Ticket based in my Foreign License.

I've been swiming in FAA regs trying to find out this but i can't.

A heads up will be greatly appreciated

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  1. Kris Kortokrax on Jun 23, 2014

    You need to provide more information before an answer can be given.

    What kind of airplane? Depending on the airplane, the PIC might have a single pilot type rating.

    Does the regular PIC have a single pilot type rating (if applicable)?

    When you say the other pilot gets a break, do you mean he leaves the cockpit and the boss comes up or do you mean he stays home and you are PIC with the boss flying?

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  2. Steven Porter on Jun 23, 2014

    Also indicate IFR or VFR for these flights.

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  3. J_L on Jun 23, 2014

    Hi guys, thanks for the answer, sorry for beign not clear enough.
    It’s a midsize jet and definitely needs 2 pilots, all flying is IFR, and what i meant is what Kris says, when i say the other pilot it’s not around, i meant time off for vacation, free days, etc… So he’s not even a passenger.

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  4. Kris Kortokrax on Jun 23, 2014

    See 61.51(e)(1)(i) and (iii)

    If you are sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which you are rated, you may log PIC time.

    If you are acting as PIC of an aircraft which requires more than one pilot and have a Commercial or ATP, you may log PIC time.

    You stated that you keep up with the requirement for the 61.58 check.

    Next question is: Does your boss keep up with the requirements of 61.55 (b) to allow him to act as an SIC? Note that it is a yearly requirement.

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  5. Mark Kolber on Jun 25, 2014

    Kris,

    Where is (e)(iii) (logging PIC by acting as PIC of an aircraft which requires more than one pilot) limited to ATP or commercial pilots?

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  6. Kris Kortokrax on Jun 25, 2014

    Good catch Mark,

    I was typing and looking at my book of regs at the same time. I think my eyes focused on the wording in (iv)(A) instead of (iii).

    The same ability is afforded to a Private pilot as well.

    The only problem that would arise for the poster is that he is being paid by his boss to fly and could not act as PIC without a Commercial or ATP.

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  7. Mark Kolber on Jun 25, 2014

    Figured it was something like that.

    Which reminds me. Anyone know if there’s a way to edit posts? I’m such a horrible typist I regularly look at a post after I hit “Submit” and cringe!

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