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Redbird “GIFT”- “Guided Independent Flight Training” Modules for BATD and AATD – Any Good?

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 So SIMS come in many flavors from the Basic (BATD) and Advanced (AATD) Aviation Training Devices, to the FFS or Full Flight Simulators.

So Redbird recently came out with a training gizmo called the Redbird GIFT or Guided Independent Flight Training. It is a small USB stick that you can plug into a BATD or full motion AATD. For the private pilot there are 33 modules that can previewed that have videos which you can watch at home via the web . You can then visit your friendly flight school, and run on of the modules on the SIM.

Redbird advises that these are to be used to complement and not replace the training a student receives from a CFI.   The GIFT USB stick is available for the PPL as well as  for the Instrument Rating. You can not run the actual flight modules  at home on your computer; the GIFT USB has to be plugged into a Redbird BATD or AATD at the flight school. The sticks however can be used at home on your computer via the web to preview the video that accompanies each training module.

So... my question is this. Has anyone used the Redbird GIFT modules and what has your experience been? For students going for the PPL, how well do these GIFT flight modules integrate with the flight training you receive from your CFI while in the plane. Have you found them helpful or just so so ?

Here is the Link:

https://simulators.redbirdflight.com/products/gift

GIFT for Private Pilot includes 33 modules:

1) Introduction Flight
2) Straight and Level Flight
3) Changing Airspeed in Straight and Level Flight
4) Normal Turns
5) Normal Climb
6) Best Rate of Climb
7) Best Angle of Climb
8) Descent
9) Steep Turns
10) Taxi
11) Normal Takeoff
12) Crosswind Takeoff
13) Slow Flight
14) Rectangular Course
15) Turns Around a Point
16) S-Turns
17) Power Off (Landing) Stall
18) Power On (Takeoff) Stall
19) Basic Instrument Flight
20) Normal Landing
21) Crosswind Landing
22) Traffic Pattern Operations
23) Go Around
24) Rejected Takeoff
25) Emergency Approach and Landing
26) Short Field Takeoff
27) Short Field Landing
28) Soft Field Takeoff
29) Soft Field Landing
30) Lost Procedures
31) Instrument Climb, Descent, Turns to a Heading
32) Cross Country 1(Short)
33) Cross Country 2 (Long)

 

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  1. Craig on Jan 12, 2020

    Gleim has something similar that you may want to review http://www.gleimaviation.com/product-category/x-plane/

    http://www.fsflyingschool.com has an add on for x-plane.

    I do feel sim training is quite helpful for instrument rating training.

    I don’t know anyone who has used any of them.

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  2. Craig on Jan 12, 2020

    Gleim has something similar that you may want to review gleimaviation dot com/product-category/x-plane/

    fsflyingschool dot com has an add on for x-plane.

    I do feel sim training is quite helpful for instrument rating training.

    I don’t know anyone who has used any of them.

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  3. PedroThePilot on Jan 12, 2020

    Hi Craig,

    The Gleim stuff is run on your home computer.

    The Redbird modules actually run on an FAA training approved BATD or AATD. I have a home sim. It’s Okay but nothing like a Redbird FMX AATD.

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  4. Craig on Jan 12, 2020

    Unless you have your own Redbird BATD/AATD, for a private pilot, I don’t think I see the use, especially for the price. You’ll be charged for the sim time and maybe the instructor time, but that time won’t count toward your aeronautical experience since it’s an ATD and not a FFS or FTD.

    If you want to pursue something like that, I think you’d be better off with the Gleim or FSFS x-plane add ons along with some appropriate flight controls.

    Plenty of FREE videos out there for student pilots. Check out the ERAU Private Pilot P.A.C.E on YouTube.

    “(k) Permitted credit for use of a full flight simulator or flight training device. (1) Except as provided in paragraphs (k)(2) of this section, a maximum of 2.5 hours of training in a full flight simulator or flight training device representing the category, class, and type, if applicable, of aircraft appropriate to the rating sought, may be credited toward the flight training time required by this section, if received from an authorized instructor.”

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  5. PedroThePilot on Jan 17, 2020

    The Redbird FMX AATD full motion rents for about $65 to $75 an hour here. A decent airplane starts at $125 and is generally $150-175 for a 172. For mastering some tasks that require repetitive training, a reset in a SIM might be helpful, at least for me.

    I went ahead and bought the Redbird GIFT USB stick and will offer a PIREP on how it works out when plugged into the Redbird FMX as well as in the BATD level Redbird TD and TD2 SIMS.

    The Redbird GIFT is fairly new, so there is not much comment out there yet. The Redbird folks in Austin were pretty helpful, and I get the impression they are keen to make sure this thing is a success.

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  6. Craig on Apr 01, 2020

    aopa.org/training-and-safety/flight-schools/flight-school-business/newsletter/2015/february/20/simulation-semantics

    Based on the info from AOPA site above, it seems my previous writing was not entirely correct.

    It seems 2.5 hours of sim time could count as part of the “20 hours of flight training from an authorized instructor” (and the total aeronautical experience) based on the LOA (not the FAR), but it would NOT count as part of the “40 hours of flight time” or anything else. So some care is required as to how it is documented on the IACRA application.

    Some excerpts:

    “But you won’t find any reference to using an ATD in FAR 61.109, which describes the aeronautical experience required to earn a private pilot certificate.

    For this, you have to look in the letter of authorization (LOA) provided by FAA for the make and model of ATD that you are using. Our current LOA from Elite states that the PI-135 can be used for up to 2.5 hours toward the aeronautical experience of FAR 61.109(k)(1), but with a note that “training or experience requirements such as cross country, night, solo, takeoffs and landings, or the 3 hours of training within 2 calendar months of the practical test must be accomplished in an aircraft. Private Pilot Airplane applicants must also complete the requirement for 3 hours of control and maneuvering of an airplane solely by reference to instruments specified in 61.109 in an airplane.”

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