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Logging simulator time for the R-ATP

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Thank you for reading! I am wondering if about 30 of my dual received simulator hours would count for the requirements of the R-ATP.  The reg says..

"Not more than 100 hours of the total aeronautical experience requirements of paragraph (a) of this section or §61.160 may be obtained in a full flight simulator or flight training device provided the device represents an airplane and the aeronautical experience was accomplished as part of an approved training course in parts 121, 135, 141, or 142 of this chapter."

I am mainly wondering about the word "approved" and what that means in the paragraph. I completed these 30 dual received sim hours during a collegiate instrument rating course at a part 141 flight school, that was NOT approved for the R-ATP 1,000 hour redemption.  Although I transferred soon after an received my IR at an approved school, I am wondering if those dual received hours can count for the ATP?

Thank you for your help! I will be happy to clarify if needed :) 

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  1. Kris Kortokrax on Jul 16, 2017

    Let’s start out by defining the device you used for your training.
    The regulation uses the words “full flight simulator” or “flight training device”.

    Who made the simulation device you used and what model was it?

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  2. Riddleflyer on Jul 16, 2017

    Kris, it is

    “Aerosim Advanced Aviation Training Devices (AATD)”

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    Kris Kortokrax on Jul 16, 2017

    There you have your answer.

    An AATD is not a “full flight simulator” or “flight training device”

    Since 61.159 only allows credit for FFS and FTD, none of your time can be counted.

    Look at 61.65 (h) & (i) to see the distinction made between FFS and FTD vs. ATDs.
    There are also distinctions made in Appendix C to Part 141, although they allow more credit for FFS, as opposed to FTDs & ATDs.

    In the aviation world, everyone uses the term simulator. We need to make distinctions between FFS, FTD and ATDs to determine what can be used.

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  4. Riddleflyer on Jul 16, 2017

    Unfortunate, but thank you so much for the information!

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