Welcome Guest. Sign in or Signup

6 Answers

Radar Departure

Asked by: 8548 views Airspace, FAA Regulations

For a IFR departure and the departure is radar vectors (No SID or ODP) and ATC issues a turn to heading as part of the takeooff clearance, do you not make the turn until 400 AGL unless ATC specifies otherwise? Thank you for the feedback.

Ace Any FAA Written Test!
Actual FAA Questions / Free Lifetime Updates
The best explanations in the business
Fast, efficient study.
Pass Your Checkride With Confidence!
FAA Practical Test prep that reflects actual checkrides.
Any checkride: Airplane, Helicopter, Glider, etc.
Written and maintained by actual pilot examiners and master CFIs.
The World's Most Trusted eLogbook
Be Organized, Current, Professional, and Safe.
Highly customizable - for student pilots through pros.
Free Transition Service for users of other eLogs.
Our sincere thanks to pilots such as yourself who support AskACFI while helping themselves by using the awesome PC, Mac, iPhone/iPad, and Android aviation apps of our sponsors.

6 Answers



  1. Mark Kolber on Aug 27, 2013

    Dan, I hope it’s ok if I start answering your questions with a question (or two) 🙂

    1. What is the 400 AGL for?

    2. Since you mentioned no ODP, what if there is one but ATC says nothing about it as part of your clearance and ATC issues a turn to heading as part of the takeoff clearance?

    I bet you know the answer to both your question and mine.

    0 Votes Thumb up 0 Votes Thumb down 0 Votes



  2. Dan Chitty on Aug 27, 2013

    1. What is the 400 AGL for?

    Per the AIM for IFR departures, a turn should not commence until at least 400 AGL for a SID or ODP. If a turn altitude is published on a SID or ODP then comply with the instructions on the SID or ODP.

    I have not seen any specific turn altitude for a radar vectored departure.

    2. Since you mentioned no ODP, what if there is one but ATC says nothing about it as part of your clearance and ATC issues a turn to heading as part of the takeoff clearance?

    If ATC is providing a radar vector departure, you turn once reaching 400 AGL unless ATC states otherwise.

    I guess I have answered my initial question. Let me know your thoughts.

    Thank you Mark.

    0 Votes Thumb up 0 Votes Thumb down 0 Votes



  3. Mark Kolber on Aug 28, 2013

    By, “what is the 400 AGL for” I meant what is its purpose? That’s described (among other places) in AIM 5-2-8. To put it simply, the 400 AGL before the turn (with a minimum 200 FPNM climb after) is, just like an ODP, to keep you from hitting something on an IFR departure (let’s call it the default departure profile).

    “After takeoff, fly heading 220 tells me that, once I reach 400 AGL, I make a turn to a heading 220° Not to make the turn 10′ above the runway as soon as the wheels leave the ground. No matter what other instructions are issued. It’s a safety issue in pilot control, not ATC’s.

    An ODP, whether text or charted is simply a set of instructions for those situations in which the default departure profile won’t keep you from hitting rocks or instructions.

    The important thing about the ODP is, it may be flown without ATC clearance unless you receive a SID or radar vectors (which are also designed to provide obstacle clearance).

    Last year, there was a letter written by a pilot into IFR Magazine. The pilot complained that, flying from Ashville to Chattanooga, ATC would “vector” her into the ridge. I’d be very, very surprised if that were the case. Rather, I suspect she received the common IFR clearance, KAVL HRS GQO KCHA and took that to mean she was turn turn on course immediately after departure, rather than fly the ODP. Look at the chart for that clearance and then look at the ODP and you’ll see that the clearance makes no sense at all for a small piston, unless you also fly the ODP.

    0 Votes Thumb up 0 Votes Thumb down 0 Votes



  4. Dan Chitty on Aug 28, 2013

    Thank you Mark.

    0 Votes Thumb up 0 Votes Thumb down 0 Votes



  5. Jay on Sep 03, 2013

    With regards to radar departures, there is a note in FAA Order 7110.65 (the ATC bible) which states: “FAAO 8260.19, Flight Procedures and Airspace, establishes guidelines for IFR departure turning procedures which assumes a climb to 400 feet above the airport elevation before a turn is commenced.”

    +2 Votes Thumb up 2 Votes Thumb down 0 Votes



  6. Bri on Apr 06, 2017

    Is the big nose radar already turned on when the aircraft is on the ground, or is it switched on after takeoff, and if so, how soon ?

    0 Votes Thumb up 0 Votes Thumb down 0 Votes


The following terms have been auto-detected the question above and any answers or discussion provided. Click on a term to see its definition from the Dauntless Aviation JargonBuster Glossary.

Answer Question

Our sincere thanks to all who contribute constructively to this forum in answering flight training questions. If you are a flight instructor or represent a flight school / FBO offering flight instruction, you are welcome to include links to your site and related contact information as it pertains to offering local flight instruction in a specific geographic area. Additionally, direct links to FAA and related official government sources of information are welcome. However we thank you for your understanding that links to other sites or text that may be construed as explicit or implicit advertising of other business, sites, or goods/services are not permitted even if such links nominally are relevant to the question asked.